To boldly go where no man has gone before...

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To boldly go where no man has gone before...

Post: # 20043Post homey
11 Oct 2011, 22:19

Star Trek: Fleet Captains a aterizat in colectia mea!
from http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/1081488

Intreg univesul Star Trek: 24 nave stelare, misiuni de explorare, batalii cu klingonii, viteze supraluminice, ... capitanii Kirk, Picard, Janeway, .... U.S.S. Enterprise, U.S.S. Voyager, U.S.S. Defiant, ... Spock, Odo, Worf, Riker, Quark, ... romulani, ferengi, ... Q ... multe multe multe altele. Extraordinar.
Parerea lui Tom Vasel...

Mai povestim dupa primul joc.


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Post: # 20047Post Chuckila
12 Oct 2011, 08:13

Ai avut problemele deja binecunoscute cu miniaturi rupte? E plin forumul BGG de persoane nemultumite in privinta lor.

Distractie faina la joc, este unul din putinele "noutati" pe care chiar vreau sa le incerc.

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Post: # 20048Post deeug
12 Oct 2011, 09:19

Felicitari! Cum sunt si eu fan SF in general si Star Trek in particular te-am urit 20 de min :). mi-a trecut, ca ma gandesc ca poate ne spui o parere mai pe larg sa ma hotarasc daca chiar merita banii sau e de jucat in alta parte.

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Post: # 20049Post homey
12 Oct 2011, 10:12

@Chukila
Am avut noroc, s-ar parea, nu am avut miniaturi stricate. Ambalajul pachetului mare de 200 de carti era rupt si cartile impastiate putin. Am un token in minus si unul in plus... in rest e bine. Miniaturile sunt excelente dar calitatea ansamblarii las de dorit, in general impresia este ca au incercat sa taie costurile... dincolo de bunul simt.
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Jocul in schimb pare, din cat am reusit sa vad pana acum, excelent. Pentru un pasionat al SF-ului si mai ales al Star Trek (am vazut 11 filme si toate cele 704 episoade din cele cinci seriale :) ) jocul este un must. Dincolo de supararile date de productia lui sub medie. Revin dupa primul joc. (ma bucur ca ti-a trecut supararea... inseamna ca suntem chit si putem trece mai departe... :D )

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Post: # 20066Post MandrulDuce
12 Oct 2011, 16:47

Multe multe felicitari (printre dinti asa deh invidia) pentru achizitie.
Cat despre discutia cu componentele, nu toat lumea isi permite sa dea 200 de euro pe un joc. Si sa fi scos si un deluxe edition simultan, nu cred ca isi permiteau ei. E un fuss foarte mare pe BGG pentru ca jocul acesta IS THAT GOOD! Nu l-am jucat insa am citit si vazut suficient cat sa-mi fac o idee (ce inseamna o licenta de succes in a gadila papilele gamerilor). It's a must have categoric. Astept sa vad cum vor trata treaba cu componentele. My 200 euro's are ready :D
Vezi ca esti dator sa dai cu parerea la jocul acesta. NEAPARAT!

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Post: # 20067Post DanielIndru
12 Oct 2011, 16:58

Poate confund eu jocurile, dar asta costa mai putin de 100 EUR la noi in magazine...

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Post: # 20069Post MandrulDuce
12 Oct 2011, 17:26

La noi e la un singur magazin in oferta si costa 389 ron. Ideea de la care am pornit e ca jocul de fata e foarte bun insa e facut de o companie noua si fara bani. Cutia e imensa, inauntru sunt 270 de carti, un mormant de token-uri, 24 de miniaturi si niste hexagoane (harta modulara). Sunt foarte multe plangeri pe BGG legat de felul in care stau componentele in cutie (multe cazuri de comp avariate ) si de calitatea cartonului folosit (foarte subtire). Jocul intr-adevar in acest moment costa sub 100 euro. O editie deluxe cu toate comp imbunatatite probabil ca va duce undeva spre 200. Thus my commentary above.

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Post: # 20070Post DanielIndru
12 Oct 2011, 17:43

Aha, am inteles.

Eu inca nu am intalnit un joc pentru care as da 200 de Euro...
Ba da, o editie de lux Crokinole. :)
Dar poate face suf una mai "barbara" pana strang eu banii si atunci ii folosesc sa cumpar 5-6 jocuri obisnuite.

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Post: # 20081Post VickdaReaper
13 Oct 2011, 11:21

Pentru linistea (sau frustrarea) unora, exista macar o persoana (yo!) care nu invidiaza noul stapan al jocului ante-mentionat. :P Sac! :twisted: Totusi, il felicita pe acest stapan pentru achizitia facuta... :tu:
Pentru board games sunt fidel cum era Castro pentru Cuba...

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Post: # 20083Post Chuckila
13 Oct 2011, 12:02

Ca s-a discutat calitatea jocului, va prezint mai jos "frustrarea" lui adixor exprimata pe BGG:

"After reading all the posts about component quality and praying it will not happen to me, I received my game.

Unfortunately.. it did happen to me .. 2 broken ships, one with engines glued in the wrong position, some tokens badly unpunched having the image in part peeled off the token, clixes that move veeery hard, a couple of cards also with dents (hope it's the right word) because of the fact that the cards were all over the box, etc. I would really love to meet and have a quick chat (since we're talking about punching things ) with the guys talking about probabilities around here and how only 1% of the copies have problems etc. I kinda got most of the types of problem people complained about.

But still, most of the irritating stuff is fixable: some superglue, some clix-fixing from another thread, etc. So if you don't mind doing that, then 80% of your problems will be fixed.

I would also like to give you my opinion using the same system the previous posters on this topic used:



Cards: C - they are flimsy and _seem_ to wear out fast, but I think they will be quite ok in time. They are not only paper, they have a plastic layer/linen. Anyway, my first reaction was "these have to be sleeved" although I don't generally sleeve my games.

Tiles: B - depends on the expectations.. I expected thin card-like tiles, so I was not dissapointed. Have I not read through the forums, I would have expected thick cardboard tiles, which would have been a lot better if you ask me. I think it's a question of preference, these are ok too. Mine are not (very) warped and anyway this should be easily fixable.

Dice: B - the best word I have for them: "cute" . They are very small, totally in contrast with the game or theme. During combat, rolling them is like shooting at a giant starship with a toy-pistol, but .. they work and seem to be of much better quality than most of the other dices I know (for example Memoir from DoW).

Minis: C - they are unpainted, in case you didn't read anything else about this game before. High probability of broken ones, it seems the support is ok, I will try it over the next few days. Other people say they are not proportional, and I never expected that. I mean.. c'mon .. The Clix system pretty much sucks, but it's fixable (some wheels don't turn or need a stronger push). The detail level is ok, but the glueing is bad, and I mean bad. The plastic pieces are not well finished, the points where the ships were cut from other plastic pieces are pretty visible, some engines are not correctly alligned with the ship (I didn't get any ships with the engines glued in a reversed position though). It's sad that the quality is so low. Fortunately for me, as a big star trek fan, it's enough to hold Voyager in my hand and feel good, I don't have to look at it . Hope I will forget about all these during the game.

Insert: C - the insert for the ships is very good, so I don't think it is guilty for the broken ships (more like careless handling). The insert for the cards and tiles is pretty bad, seems to be made for another game.

Rulebook: B - it's a game with a lot of rules, I didn't have many expectations about the rulebook but it's ok overall. The formatting is not quite professional, so don't expect very clearly marked chapters or subchapters (they are, it's just that ... the layout is not the clearest I know)

Box: A - great.




I would have preferred to pay 100$ for only 10 ships but without the problems I mentioned, with cardboard tiles (again, that's just a preference thing, the ones in the box are not bad in my opinion), better finishings and more .. love.. put in the making of the components.

Hard to recommend to non trekkies at this price level.

p.s. I own, have owned, played and touched at least 10 FFG games, at least 6 DoW games and about 100+ games in total from all over the boardgaming spectrum.
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Post: # 20529Post adixor
09 Nov 2011, 10:40

In antiteza cu ale sale componente, sunt in masura acum sa zic ca este unul din cele mai frumoase jocuri pe care le am, cu un game play extraordinar, o aventura spatiala efectiv minunata. Nu este necesar sa fiti fani Star Trek (am aflat cu surprindere la un moment dat ca un tip cu care jucam si care era extrem de incantat de joc nici nu se uitase vreodata la Star Trek) dar daca sunteti, va fi cu atat mai bine. Gasiti de toate in joc: navute cu parametri diferiti si modificabili (Redirect power from shields to engines!), klingon cloaked ships, teleportare, encountere in diferite sisteme solare luate chiar din film, tribbles (prietenii stiu de ce :D), misiuni de mai multe tipuri (science, combat, etc), cafteala interstelara, area control + construirea de outpots, starbases, etc, personajele din film ce pot fi puse pe nave ca si membri ai echipajului (aducand bonusuri permanente) sau pot fi jucate pentru un bonus mai puternic one-time, tractor beams, etc etc.

Sper sa fac o minisesiune legata de ultimul joc. Desi a fost acum o saptamana, mi-e proaspat in minte si as putea zice memorabil.

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Post: # 20554Post deeug
10 Nov 2011, 00:48

Daaaaaaaaaaa! o minisesiuneeeee......!Suna...cel mai bine!

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Post: # 20598Post adixor
12 Nov 2011, 01:15

Din pacate, desi m-am tot gandit, nu as putea sa-mi amintesc toate detaliile ca sa iasa o sesiune clara si coerenta.
Asa ca in loc pun singurele 2 poze pe care le am de atunci si cateva lucruri de care-mi amintesc:

- am fost cu Federatia, oponentul cu Klingonienii
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- am inceput jocul cu 5 nave, din care 2 mici (de size 1). El cu 4 dar ceva mai puternice.

- o prima misiune a mea a fost sa-mi recuperez un Away Team pus pe una din navele lor. I did it! El concentrandu-se mai mult pe lupta (Weapons) a scazut shield-urile destul cat eu cu o nava mai rapida sa apuc sa ma apropii fulgerator si sa-mi teleportez oamenii back to safety..

- el a primit in deckul normal de 40 carti si cartea tribbles, pe care o putea juca impotriva mea cand o tragea.. nu a apucat.

- am explorat cam tot ce puteam in zona mea, si de-abia am gasit o planeta locuibila. Imi trebuia pentru o misiune in care trebuia sa teleportez un Away Team pe planeta apoi sa-i iau inapoi intr-un tur ulterior

- el a fost destul de prudent in general si a incercat sa scaneze sectoare inainte sa intre in ele.. Evident, exact cand s-a plictisit de scanat si a explorat fara sa se mai asigure s-a trezit intr-o nebuloasa (parca) care i-a dat si cateva damage-uri, asa de control :)

- am mai avut o misiune in care trebuia sa fac influeta 5 pe unul din hex-uri ca sa iau VP-urile.. cum el era foarte focusat pe atac, nu am avut probleme sa fac asta.

- si eu si el ne-am construit in urma unor misiuni cate o statie spatiala, eu am folosit-o pe a mea o data pentru o reparatie, nu mai sunt sigur daca el a apucat sa o foloseasca pe a lui

- m-a atacat in nestire dupa ce ne-am apropiat pe la mijlocul terenului, cu nave foarte puternice. Din fericire navutele mele erau cat de cat ok la shields.

- la un moment dat am intrat intr-un encounter numit "Mirrored universe" si a trebuit sa facem schimb de carti (cele 4 din mana doar). Miscarea mi-a fost destul de utila.. eu am facut rost de carti de combat (Klingonienii au o gramada) luandu-i-le lui si dandu-i niste carti diplomatice gen Cpt. Picard.

- a folosit cloakingul, inclusiv echo-ul (pentru a ma pune sa-l caut pe cai gresite) dar m-am prins relativ repede cand am vazut unde se duc jetoanele de cloaking..

- primul atac masiv a fost de 3 nave de-ale lui (una nou decloak-ata) impotriva a 2 nave mici de-ale mele. Si dai, si lupta, si arunca cu zarurile incredibil de mici si enervante...

- lupta (poze) a durat mai multe runde, dar folosind ocazia (faptul ca el si-a lasat descoperit restul teritoriului) am ajuns cu o navuta mica la el aproape de baza, pe o planeta locuibila si .. nu mai stiu ce trebuia sa fac dar am facut si am castigat cateva puncte :)

- lupta pana la urma s-a terminat initial rau pentru mine .. mi-a distrus 2 nave, impreuna de size 4. Una din ele a fost Voyager (which I love), pe care-l pusesem pe Wesley Crusher ca si Crew, castigand cateva shield-uri in plus. A murit si el o data cu nava.

- deoarece dupa prima nava distrusa poti cere reinforcements de size +1, am introdus in joc o nava de size 5: Prometheus. Asta da nava de lupta..

- Prometheus s-a dovedit un f. puternic adversar desi nu prea am avut carti de combat excelente (cele mai bune au fost cele luate de la el cu cateva ture mai sus :D). In plus, am uitat constant ca se poate arunca o carte din mana cand se face refresh.

- Tot jocul am fost la maxim 2 puncte distanta unul de altul, in general la doar un punct diferenta. Foarte strans si tensionat

- Era interesant cand ajungeam intr-o situatie in care credeam ca unul din noi a castigat, ca sa aflam de prin reguli ca mai trebuie facut ceva, etc

- In final ultimele runde au fost dedicate luptei Prometheus <> Klingonieni. Am reusit incet incet sa ii stirbesc din forta, el avand in mana tot carti relativ inutile... si el a uitat ca se poate face discard la o carte din mana cand se face refresh ..

- Am castigat dupa un ultim atac.. nici Prometheus nu o mai ducea bine, desi mai venisem cu alte navute mai mici in apropiere nu imi permiteam sa le bag in lupta pentru ca puteau muri destul de repede data fiind echipa lui de warbirds. O data cu navele lui au murit cam vreo 3 crew members pe care ii asignase navelor din lupta.

A fost o experienta excelenta, tensionata, plina de schimbari de situatie, cafteala, etc.

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Post: # 20600Post deeug
12 Nov 2011, 12:51

Cam pare sa fie un super joc!
Mi-as dori sa pot sa-l joc si eu cat de curand sa-mi fac o parere bazata pe experienta...:)

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